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But as to the motivation of men who are suicide bombers, the evidence points directly to the leadership. However the people that are the suicide aren't normaly brainwashed 16 year old kids. They are well educated, and well off.

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Fair enough. The sidebar was precipitated by the claim that there are religious motivations on their side, and I stated that they had mainly political motivations (which is why America is the primary enemy, and not just any non-Muslim nation) while religion was more an instrument to fan the flames of hatred. It seems we are basically full circle and in basic agreement.