Re: The ol\' river value bet type thread
check call you can beat QT KT T9 and 2 of those hands wont bet or call a bet on the river anyway.
not a value situation here, too many hands beat you since the flush came on the turn and the J paired.
check raising the turn was pretty gutsy since you really only beat a J (wich isnt likely due to the flop raise) or QT.
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