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You mean any Jew pre-Christ-on-earth that believed a Messiah would come?


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with the acknowledgement that not all of Isreal are really "of Israel" (a la Romans 9) then yes. All those that God had predestined precross believed and looked foward to a Messiah to come.

There was no person that existed that was was going to be saved had he died earlier, then Christ came and he wasn't.

While there are times when God extends his spirit so that non-believers may prophecy and the like (King Saul is an example), there isn't a place (or time) where God had previously extended saving grace and then withdrew it.

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I think I understand the viewpoint you are coming from now; that pre-christ the only saved were the ones God predestined to be saved (grace) and likewise any Jew that accepted Christ when he came on earth was also predestined to be saved, while the rejectors God predestined to be stubborn, the same as some of Israel he had predestined to be stubborn from the beginning of the Israelites?

Does that accurately describe your beliefs?

Cheers,
SDM