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So to clarify:

You believe that when God was establishing the Jewish people, starting with Abraham leaving Ur etc, that God planned on Christ always coming, but before he sent him the Jews that lived were saved, but once he came, the Jews that rejected lost the 'grace' that was in pre-christ salvation?


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I believe that God had (planned to) crucified Christ from before time began.

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Ok I understand this view but require clarification on the next part.

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Thus those of Israel that were saved had faith in Jesus as a comming sin bearer who would take their sins.

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You mean any Jew pre-Christ-on-earth that believed a Messiah would come?

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Jesus' coming didn't change whether or not people were saved or not, merely changed the name that was given to the person by which they were saved.

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I'm just trying to 'pinpoint' within your view, the time Jews lost their grace.

Did it happen when Christ began his ministry or at the crucifixion, or after the resurrection etc?

Cheers,
SDM