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gabe kaplan and lederer are both very capable announcers that are both probably much better holdem players than you are

[/ QUOTE ] I hope you're not talking about me. As far as Gabe is concerned, yes, he is a much better announcer, but I've seen him play, he's way way way too conservative. Howard, I know better than to sit down at a table with him unless it's for play money.