[jon462]

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"To answer your question, house edge is 2% on #2"

No it's not. Basic strategy usually get you down to 0.5% or less (depends on rules).

"you cant beat BJ w/o counting"

There are some games that are beatable with perfect basic strategy, but these games are rare.

"There's a 2+2 book on blackjack, its designed to be simple enough to be practical to non-rainmen.."

Card counting isn't hard at all. Just takes practice. BJ21.com

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I was under the impression it was 2% with perfect play, Ill assume you are right though and stand corrected. My point is you arent getting an edge. By "some games" I assume you mean non-blackjack games? There have been table games that are beatable in casinos before, but they dont last very long before some donk posts the game on the internet and people come from all over until the casino figures it out <g>

Card counting is easy for me in a 1-2 deck shoe with grandma dealing.. any faster or more cards involved I get lost <g> Sklansky recommends basic +1 -1 (face cards, cards 6 or under), but he recommends some books with much more complicated strategies that are supposedly more accurate.