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Old 08-14-2005, 06:03 AM
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Default Re: EV stats and max winrate questions/observations.

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Proabilites:
Pocket pairs: .4525
Suited: .1508
Offsuit Non-Pair: .6033


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These add up to more than 1 (can't be). I think the numbers are

Pairs 0.0588
Offsuit 0.706
Suited 0.235

!Edit: these numbers are for hands grouped by type. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
!See pzhon's post for the probability per hand.

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This magical theoretical figure, by-the-way is about 4.87 BB/100.

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Can you be more specific as to how you got that? By adding up the weighted EV of all the hands with positive expectation?

Remember these numbers represent the performance of an average player. An expert can get more +EV from good hands than an average player and turn some of what are slightly -EV hands for average players to +EV hands. He also won't lose as much with bad hands. (Though it probably doesn't make much difference at the extremes-- the expert can't do much better w/ AA or 32o than the average player.)

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- How reliable are the numbers at pokerroom?

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I don't see any reason to doubt them.

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- Even if the stats are only close to a "true" EV for each hand, the total theoretical winrate can't be much different can it?

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The EV is "true" in the sense that it reflects the actual performance of average players. I would expect the EV of many hands, for an expert, to be somewhat different from what it is for the average player.

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- These stats at pokerroom do include the blinds, correct?

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Yes, as far as I can tell.

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- Assuming these number do not include the blinds and they are theoretically correct, doesn't that make this game unbeatable? I personally believe that if this is the case, then limit HE is unbeatable. Thankfully, I'm fairly certain that pokerroom's EV calculations have included the blinds.


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Trust me, if I can beat it, it's VERY beatable.

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- Since I didn't do each of these hands by position (just overall), will this winrate change signifigantly when I only include hands when they are profitable at a certain position?

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If I understand what you're doing, definitely.

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- Adding the frequency of hands that are either +EV or null EV, it comes to a mere 13.25%. Does this mean that players who have a higher VPIP than this (outside the blinds) are either "tricky", playing hands for their relative and/or positional value?

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However they are doing it, experts can definitely extract more value from more hands than the average player. But this isn't all THAT hard-- the average player is losing ~3 BB/100 hands according to those stats.
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