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Thats not the same thing and you know it.

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Well, how is it so different, except that here I think you have even less "set value" because you're OOP and there are less opponents catching something worse? I really don't think you can even dream of playing a hand just hoping to spike a set here. You're probably trying to say that you'll sometimes win the pot otherwise, but with the range I'm putting the villain on (and which you have not disagreed openly with, or have you?) that's just not happening.

I'm not trying to be some kind of a smartass here or anything. I'm tired, I suck at poker and I respect your posts here a lot. I'm just not getting this. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Well to begin with you pretty much know what you opponent has and you are gonna get payed off most of the time. Plus you are closing the action which is always a plus. I think its pretty close and I may very well be wrong, but this is the type of spot I'm ready to gamble a bit on in order to get a big stack.

I also think the allin player helps us with a hand like TT-JJ (which are pretty much the extent of pairs I would be raising UTG anyway) since if the reraiser is getting frisky with AK or something he might just decide to check it down post flop or he might check down with KK if an A comes giving you a couple more cards to beat him.