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derick · #32 08-03-2005, 02:14 PM

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Hello my 2+2 Mentors!

I'm not sure if my thinking is correct on this hand, please comment.

I've just moved up to the .25/.50 NL game from the .10/.25

I've been finding this table quite profitable. I've bought in for $10 I've just doubled up and then lost a little back.

Reads:VP$IP/PRF/AF

MP2 21.25/11.25/13
MP3 55.26/10.53/1.33
UTG 81.82/36.36/2

Hero 18.75/8.63/2.95

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

MP3 ($11.70)
CO ($51.05)
Button ($45.95)
SB ($44.50)
BB ($19.60)
UTG ($51.70)
Hero ($21.95)
MP1 ($19.50)
MP2 ($129.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, MP3 calls $4.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $2.

Warning bells go off in my head when the MP2 reraises me!

But 2 other players calls so I call for two more dollars.

I'm thinking to myself, "My hand plays well multiplayer since I'm suited and I'm getting good pot odds, but I'm probably not the favorite to win ... Lets see the flop."

Flop: ($18.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets $5, 

UTG has shown down some really weak hands, I'd like to play heads up against him I see that MP2 (the re-raiser has a Went to SD of 15% so I see if I can push him off that hand. MP3 is kinda loose so I wouldn't mind if he stays in.

So I push all in...

Like it?

Hero raises to $17.45, MP2 raises to $107.75, MP3 calls $7.20 (All-In), UTG calls $42.20 (All-In).

I didn't want this much action.

Turn: ($198.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($198.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $198.35

comments.

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Hello again my 2+2 Mentors,

I was wrong!

Much of the analysis I said earlier was wrong/flawed.

Thanks to you all for pointing this out to me! It took a while for this to sink in.

Working through this hand has given me an epiphany in my NL play.

My epiphany:

I play NL like a sucessful *limit* player.

The decisions I make in this hand are wrong because I'm playing like a good little *limit* player.... bad move!

Things I did wrong in this hand and what I learned!

1. I overvalue my hand and raise with AQs UTG+1 to isolate the weak UTG player.

Early position AQs isn't all that strong in NL. It has immense potential to cost you your stack by making the second best hand to AK.

2. I called the preflop reraise.

Yes I was getting 8 to 1 odds to call as I pointed out but I was getting horrific reverse implied odds. I didn't take this into account. This is more of my *limit* thinking.

3. I overvalued my TPGK hand

Top pair 2nd kicker isn't all that great a hand in NL like it is in limit. Top pair good kicker isn't a hand to play hard with from early position. Certainly not for your whole stack.

4. I played from early position.

Position is much more important in NL than limit. Trying to make moves to isolate weak players is tough from early position. In limit position is worth an extra bet. In NL it's worth an extra bet too, but that bet can be the size of your stack.

5. There are probably other points that I may be missing.

Thank you to all the people who posted such good advice. You guys are great!

derick

P.S. Thanks for being patient with me, I now can see how silly some of my earlier thoughts in this post are.