[Victor]

i am dead serious about how many outs you have. if someone has the j10s and someone else has a lone 7 you are drawing dead. there are many other combos where you are drawing dead as well against 4 opps.

so between 0 and 6 seems like a good starting point. in ssh ed says to count tainted outs as 1/2 an out. so lets go with 3 outs. you have 3 outs that you have no idea if they will be good or not. you are not near closing the action and could be forced to pay 2 more bets.