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If you raise, he's getting 12:1 on a call. I really really don't think he's going to fold any more than a bluff here.

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What can a good Villain actually expect to win with if he's raised on this turn?

Side question for Shillx: Would you never raise this turn with AK (or KQ) or would you vary it? (This and the above question are related somewhat.)

And bump because this was a fun read.

Edited to add: I do agree that we have some good fold equity here against a thinking player, but I would not have thought to raise myself.

However, it seems a bit counterintuitive to me that you can fold him out here with a raise but you would never raise a big king on this turn.

I might just be tired. Later, I'll bump this up in the morning.