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its actually pretty tough to beat many live 2-4 games due to nearly prohibitive rake.

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I hate rake [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. However, I believe the non-fishiest (weekdays daytime) 2/4 games are still profitable for the best or top two players on the table. I've played about 5000 hands (assuming 30 hands/hr) this year, and I believe I can beat this game at any time. I realized this is a small sample size.