Re: Interesting Hypothetical?
in either case, the cards are face up, so there's no implied odds, correct? all the players can examine are immediate pot odds.
let's work backwards for a second.
assume players have made it to the river with significant money behind. this should go, whoever has the better hand will bet, and the other will fold. this is a very simple street.
assume players have made it to the turn with significant money still behind. if the flush or the straight made it, if player A were first to act, he would bet out and player b would fold. in the event that it was a deuce of spades, he would bet out an amount that was a bit greater than 1/10 pot, and if it was an ace of spades, he'd bet something a bit greater than 1/2.5 pot, whatever it is to make it incorrect to draw. any other card, he'd probably check call, other than one that paired the deuce or gave an ace with no spade.
for player B, he'd check fold any straight or flush card, and bet out any other card.
knowing that the action on the turn and the river are pretty straight forward, ie player A and player B have immediate odds in front of them and will only call when it pot odds dictate, let's examine the flop.
player A is ONLY a 5-4 favorite if he sees the turn and river cards. however, as we have determined, we have to play street by street. player A's main objective would be to pour all his money in on the flop, but player B knows this and can limit this, because it is pot limit. player A will bet out (40), player B will call (he is getting better than 5-4 on his money). then the scenarios above will play out.
if player B were to act first, nothing would change. player A is still the favorite, so there's no need to pour money into the flop. player B would check call a bet, and the scenarios would play out.
i THINK the theory is, if there are no implied odds, ie the turn and river cards will play themselves without any mistakes, any flop bet stands as if the two cards are dealt out already. since the straight flush is only a 5-4 favorite, there is no way he can bet out to make calling by the AA incorrect, since AA will always be getting 2-1.
i could be fatally wrong, so feel free to enlighten, mike.
in the third scenario, i'd imagine player A would just push or something similar.
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