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Old 07-21-2005, 09:00 AM
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Default Re: Folding the nuts... would you... ?

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Position always matters in poker . And AJs is a good hand to see the flop cheaply with, not a great hand you need to be calling a large raise with, especially out of position (which again, is relevant).

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Yes it is but it is irrelevent according to this topic. If you wouldn't act the same way just pretend you're drunk and put yourself in the scenario.

The vast majority of online players of that limit routinely preflop-raise any Ace, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, QJ, QT, Q9, even JT. Also, any PP. This to establish a table image and confusing opponents to what they really raise with. Most massive raises following tiny raises have PP's and usually small ones to boot out the over-cards and buy the pot.

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Couldn't agree more with the original and related sentiments. AJs is not a hand to fall in love with. It is a medium strength drawing hand that plays well in position but is considerably weaker out of position and in considering cold-calling raises and re-raises from in position players.

Unless I'm on the verge of being blinded out just before the money, there is no way a preflop call is justifiable.

If you want to stay on topic and assume that you made a mistake by calling, did not get reraised by the original raiser, and then got lucky by flopping the nut flush, then there is only one obvious play: Do whatever is necessary to take that pot down without a turn card being flipped. You have the nuts after the flop, but are very likely to be at risk to get drawn out on by one or both of the preflop raisers. You have to make them pay heavily for the right to draw out on you. To not do so is a major flaw in judgment, IMHO.

Finally to your last point about what the majority of online players may or may not do to "establish table image", it is critical to keep in mind that the majority of online players are full time losing players with little chance of becoming winning players without drastic strategy alterations.

Good solid smart non-self-weighting play kicks "establish(ed) table image" right in the nuts all day long!!
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