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Old 07-20-2005, 12:24 PM
RickyG RickyG is offline
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Default Re: Bottom set vs. Calling station, what\'s my turn line?

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fold this horrible garbage PF. bet pot on turn 100%.

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IMHO you have made a HORRIBLE call preflop.

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Well, if you can't muck this preflop out of position to a raise in a situation with almost NO implied odds, what can you fold preflop?

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These are pretty strong statements. I respect most of the people saying them, but I think that you might want to practice your shorthanded play.

Bob Ciaffone wasn't talking about shorthanded omaha, which is what this is. If you play only the hands you play full ring at a shorthanded table you will be blinded out, and get no action when you play, IMO. I think with 3-5 players, this hand, under the right conditions is good enough to call preflop. There are however reasons to fold this hand preflop in this situation. This is a speculative hand, you want to play it against someone who has lots of chips. So cold calling the PF raiser's bet is a losing proposition if the other person doesnt call, because you can only win a small bit of money from him. This is why you want to be in position to play this hand. If you were on the button, and the other player had called, I would call every time too.

This is the kind of hand that makes omaha fun to play.

At first you might be disappointed by the fact that the other player called the 9 dollars, but you shouldnt be. Unless he has AA or 66 you are very likely winning, (which is unlikely given the fact that he coldcalled the pot bet and raise). This gives you something to fight over incase the PF raiser actually has AA or 66. On the turn, I think you have to bet the pot, and call if you are raised. The worst shape you can be in is 34 with two hearts, in which case you are still about %25 to win. if he has the 34 and no hearts, you are about even money, even if he has higher straight draws. if he has something stupid, like A J 8 K with two hearts, you are a huge favorite (85%). (the three of hearts and any board pairing heart make you win, plus you have two hearts in your hand, so he actually only has 5 outs.)

The river play is more player dependent. If he is the kind to bluff if he missed a draw, you could check/call, if he isnt, you might want to bet small (like you did) trying to get someone to call to try to keep you honest.

Anyway, you should have bet the turn, and called a reraise if you had to. That's my Opinion. Please feel free to tell my why you think I am stupid.
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