View Single Post
  #24  
Old 07-19-2005, 09:54 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 87
Default Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?(rest of the hand)

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Just sat down so no reads on anyone. What do you do on the turn (and river if you call the turn)?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls

[/ QUOTE ]

River: (9.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
MP3 has 2h Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins 11.25 BB. </font>


So it turned out to be a semi-bluff raise on the turn. I'd really like to know what you all think of MP3's play since one guy on the table called him an idiot.

Do any of you guys make a bluff raise like this here?

[/ QUOTE ]

It's a semi-bluff raise (important distinction -- important enough that I'll point it out even though you called it right the first time), and it's good against a player capable of folding. You must always consider your opposition when you make these plays. He also needs to be aware of his image, because if he does this too often, he's going to get himself looked up too often.

He should have checked behind on the river, since the he's not folding anybody who called the turn raise AND has a better hand than him. Okay, maybe a better Axs, but there aren't many of those which raise preflop from the big blind...

By the way, this brings out a good point. Players bluff/semi-bluff at these levels far more often than most people realize. A lot of posters here are too busy believing that everybody is a passive-predictable donk that they don't see the diversity of players out there.

This is why reads are important, and why lots of players using HUDs are really killing themselves from a developmental point of view. If you're not looking, you're never going to see it.
Reply With Quote