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That's an ugly ugly fold. Villain could reasonably have two pair that's not AK... unless the epidemic of cold-calling Axs has suddenly been stopped.


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No he couldn't, the guy isn't a complete idiot else I would have noticed by then and 2/4 is incredibly weak tight. Almost always two pair is check calling, if he thinks he has the best hand he would go for a check raise.
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You would help yourself tremendously (in both cases) if you paid more attention to the game and got some real reads on these guys.


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Really not necessary, I play much higher limits when I'm concentrating and beat 2/4 very easily multitabling or running a couple of tables in the background when it's slow at work. My bad play annoys me just as much at 2/4 as 15/30 though, hence the post, as I believe I have become too loose postflop at 2/4, believing that there really are all these maniacs out there, it's just not true, the vast majority of players at 2/4 are extremely weak/tight postflop (and normally too loose preflop).

There are a lot of bad aggressive players but they are usually visible very quickly. When someone starts playing this aggressively out of the blue they have a hand.

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You should also stop worrying about making good folds. It's much better to learn how to make solid bets/raises when you have the best of it. If you have a LAG image, then you need to pay these things off even more.


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I'm not worrying about good folds, I'm worred about bad calls [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. See above. I have absolutely no worries about maximising value when I have the best hand in limit hold'em games (sadly not in pot/no-limit) but am worried that I am throwing away bets using the justification that the player could be a maniac all of a sudden even though I am all but certain I am beaten and don't have odds to continue.
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Suppose that you have the best hand 5% of the time (a little conservative). Suppose that 25% of the time, he has two pair - not AK. Then you've got 9 outs to win.


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5% is reasonable for having the best hand, he just might be on a pair and a flush draw, and I don't think it's conservative at all. I'm afraid I think the chances of him having two pair and not AK are much much smaller than 25% though. He will be too afraid of me having AK/AA/KK myself to keep pushing. I cannot emphasise how weak the betting is after the flop at 2/4. I will reraise on a flop with TPTK on a rags flop with a king and be shown pocket aces at the end regularly without any further aggression from the guy with aces.

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Hmmmm... do you understand why folding decent hands is big pots is a very very stupid thing to do?

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Of course, which is why I asked the question as it's the biggest mistake you can make in limit hold'em. In this case however I disagree with the basis of your maths, I just don't see him having a hand as bad as two pair without the AK. I have played a lot of 2/4 multitabling recently to clear bonuses and I would happily bet 100 dollars to get 10 back that he had better hand.

Differing opinion appreciated of course, I'll certainly not try to tighten up any further, I really do think you misunderstand the way most people play the game at this limit, if I thought he thought he could make me fold, I would call obviously, but I see zero chance that this is a bluff and he can't possibly expect me to fold.

Your maths is all fine no doubt, and thanks for taking the time, but my read gives very different figures to start out on...