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Old 06-08-2005, 08:45 PM
Louie Landale Louie Landale is offline
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Default Re: Is My Thinking Flawed...Pre-Flop Implied Odds

So you want to call a raise cold figuring to play 77 for two bets getting 5:1 but surely up against a big pair whose going to pay you off...

Rule of thumb is you need 10:1 to call including implied odds. Since you are getting 5:1 PF you need another 5:1 implied post-flop. This means that you need to be sure the opponents will average investing 5 more BB in the pot when you flop a set.

Lets see. Flop is golden T72. AA bets, you raise, idiot calls cold, tight player calls. They both call the turn. AA pays you off. That's your 5BB. If you think you can routinely do better than that then call, otherwise fold.

I'd say you need to be confident in the determination of the loose players before you can call.

Be advised this play is much better if the raiser wasn't on your right, since you want loose calls before you raise. IN this spot you raise and face the loose folks with a double bet, which is definately not to your advantage.

Lets get rid of this idea of making 3 7s "by the turn". No, you need to FLOP 3-7s. If you figure to call a single flop bet then it costs 3sb to call and that screws up your implied odd royally.

- Louie
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