Re: Murder and free will
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Your summary is very accurate. It was bad to go to war with Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, all of the alternatives were worse.
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So you've agreed with me that you are implying that it was "bad" to go to war with Nazi Germany, but the alternatives were "worse". The issues I raise previously about how one judges "bad" or "good" or "worse" come into play. If you answer in the same way as you have justice, there is no ground upon which you can judge something as "bad" or "worse" merely history that happened and nothing more.
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The problem with nazi version of justice is that the rest of the world disagreed.
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Why is this a problem? If the rest of the world disagrees with you and says that there is a God should you agree with them? Additionally you need to establish that the rest of the world disagreed at all. You also need to establish that the rest of the world for all time will disagree.
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Our definitions of right and wrong are defined by popular agreement.
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Popular opinion again. What if for Nazi Germany it was popular to kill Jews. Thus it would be right for them correct? Let me remind you that you need to establish that it was in fact "popular opinion" instead of making claims.
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Some mechanisms for protecting minority opinion is included, however, whenever a law is passed prohibiting something, it is assumed that popular opinion deems that something "wrong". In our system of justice, everything not deemed "wrong" is presumed "right" until there is a strong disagreement resulting in a change. On many issues, there is no popular agreement, and sometimes people simply agree to let individuals define what is right or wrong on these issues. You are free to disagree with popular opinion on what is right and what is wrong but be warned. The popular opinion is often enforced by violence or threat of violence.
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But you've just implied that violence was "bad." Why can you now enforce "popular opinion" upon others through violence?
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For example, 300 years ago, the popular opinion shared by many people who had theology similar to yours was that it is right for people to own other people with skin of different color.
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Great random slander. Please prove it. Show that it was "popular." Define "similar" and demonstrate that people had "similar" theology to mine. Even if what you say is true, your statements lend nothing to your arguement.
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So basically you're saying that "right" and "wrong" are defined by popular opinion and thus can change. Is that a popular opinion? If so, isn't there a possibility that it will change and thus become "wrong" in the future?
All these questions of course are reliant upon you actually proving that it was indeed "popular opinion"
Dictionary.com - a belief or sentiment shared by most people
How can you determine with certainty that the belief is shared by most people? You have to inspect every person in the world, and while doing so, ensure that people's views don't change. Can you do this?
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