[mike l.]

"1) getting to draw on the turn for one bet

2) getting good odds, made good partly because

3) you can count on getting paid off if you hit"

add two more: 4) cause ill value bet something like 2 pair on the river on a 4 straight board and 5) the cutoff will pay me off on scary board with one pair.

so that's 5 good reasons to call the flop. can you give me 5 good reasons why you said "Put another way, give me the right opponents and I can justify anything." (in other words, flop caca).

and 1) position 2) position 3) position 4) position 5) position doesnt count.