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given that, will he pay you off if you hit? If not, this is a clear fold.



This is horrible advice

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I'm not really saying to fold - it was just to illustrate a point. If you have a read that against a villain where you are AT BEST a coinflip, and maybe worse, what's wrong with a fold? I'm just playing devil's advocate here... In some situations against certain opponents, I think it's a clear "overplay semi strong draw hand" that gets a lot of players in trouble. Granted in this situation, I'm calling flop and pushing any turn scare card.