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Old 05-20-2005, 04:16 PM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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Default Re: Phoenix # 1

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Here's a hand that I butchered from start to finish.


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No way....if you want to see a hand butchered post flop look no further than some of Scuba's hands [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] (or the ones that I don't post....[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

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I submit it for destruction.


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I'll do my best.

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My thoughts preflop: didn't want to steal the small pot, and didn't want to play a big pot out of position (didn't get my wish).


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You want to be able to control a pot with AK....I think it's a good idea to not want to play a big pot with it out of position with what will be several limpers...and raising big here will just win you a v small pot. I typically throw in a small raise here...to sweeten the pot but not let it get too big.

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Second guessing my limp now though. My thoughts on the flop: Pot sized bet, but I had a feeling it was not enough.


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Ever thought of checking this flop (especially since there aren't many chips in it yet)?

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My thoughts on the turn: why did it have to be the king of clubs?


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B/c it will let you check and then reraise weaker kings and weaker hands hoping to bluff you.

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My redraw to the ace high flush and chance of filling up meant that I couldn't let it go


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No, you can't...certainly not after betting it and getting two callers...

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but I was unsure how to play it when I'm almost certainly drawing, first to act among 4 players, so I continued to butcher it.


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I'm most likely getting all my chips in with this turn card...given ur playing a 33 or lower you will want to take $$ from the wekaer kings (remember, many Kx hands could be out there...especially given the preflop action). So what is the best way to extract chips from hands that you beat here? Well, I'd say checking and letting them bet at you is helpful....rather than betting. Frankly though, your line turned out fairly well....much of the time you're up against a made flush here I guess...but you hae tons of redraws to win *and* there is certainly a chance that a weaker king took a stab at this pot fearing someone would hit a flush on the river.

I don't mind the end result of yoru line given the cards that kept hitting your hand. What is trickier is if a different club falls on the turn....do you bet then? Are there any bets you'll check/call? Or are you abononing the pot as soon as anyone bets?

Yugoslav
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