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Old 05-14-2005, 12:45 AM
Jordan Olsommer Jordan Olsommer is offline
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Default Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???

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I have played for several years online at a few sites and have clearly run into other people playing in collusion with each other, as it is simple to do, but the sites themselves, at least pkrstrs and trupkr seem to be ok in my opinion - i also log everything i do. But it is a strong case you make. Glad you already made alot of dough though , at least thats a plus. I would definately change to another site or open another accoutn in your wifs name, something like that and check the results.

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People often don't realize something:

It is easier to collude in live games than it is online.

Sure, the actual colluding is much easier online - just sit at the same table as your friend and call him up (although I must be frank when I say that it seems to me that most of the people who would resort to collusion probably wouldn't know how the hell to use the data they gain by colluding in any but the most infinitessimally +EV manner over the long run) - in a live game, you have to set up some kind of set of signals (I imagine this is not at all hard to do, however).

But the important part is, when you engage in collusion in a brick-and-mortar card room, as soon as the dealer scrambles the deck for the next deal, almost all the evidence of your crime has been wiped away. All that's left to trace back to your having done something illegal is if you showed down a hand (in which case people still have to be attentive enough to realize that this player is making more than his fair share of really good calls), or if someone is interested enough to look at the security cameras to see if someone's stacking their chips in a suspicious way or making strange gestures.

Online, your entire hand history is known. If you suspect collusion, the system administrators can go back and see table records ("wow these guys are always at the same table together and they never seem to get involved in a big pot with only each other...hmm"), they can see individual hands ("why did he call this huge bet for all his on the end here with a singleton king[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and four hearts on board? Ohhh, because his trusty sidekick Robin over here folded the ace of hearts.")

If you're going to collude, do it in a brick-and-mortar casino; there's much less of a chance of getting caught in my opinion. On an online casino, you could have colluded five years ago, but the trail you leave still exists on their backup tapes today.
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