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I didn't know there were vinyl KEMs. Are those the "casino" back in red, blue, brown and green? I've never shuffled or pitched those, just squeezed them.

I dealt a set of Copags tonight and they are a great holdem card. They pitch perfectly, don't slide much when you drop the stub on the table and hardly defllect (bend permanently). I think copags are vinyl, correct me if I'm wrong please.

I also played with a set of DalNegros. They are a perfect cribbage or gin card as they feel almost like brand new Paulson cards and seem like they will stay that way for quite awhile. They would be best in games where you're holding a largeish hand. They felt like they would bend permanently and the "joker test" confirmed this.