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Old 04-18-2005, 09:07 PM
TM1212 TM1212 is offline
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Default Re: All in before the flop. Didn\'t need to be.

WTF IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE HERE??? DOES NO ONE ACTUALLY READ THE POST BEFORE FLAMING SOMEONE? And what is up with everyone hoping on the bandwagon of the first poster, one person said its just a bad beat story do 8 others, that have nothing good to add, have to join in and say the same thing?

Clearly this hand was a bad beat, but schroedy wasn't crying about it, instead he had a very valid question.

Is there ever a time were you should fold as a favorite in a tournament. While i'm reading into his question a little, cause he really asked if he should want to get someone all in (or if there are situations were you might not want too), preflop with AA (which is a little ridiculous in this situation). I personally believe that there are certain situations were u don't!

Now in schroedy situation, which is a $30 party tourt, with 1,000 starting chips, clearly this question should never arise. There aren't enough blinds in front of anyone to justify such a theory. Any advantage in any hand you can get your chips in with especially an overpair vs an underpair you should take it.

But now what if were talking about a major circuit tourt. $10,000 buyin, and over 200 bb in front of you.
Now let also pretend your better then almost the entire field. Now you can make a case for folding to any allin preflop that would cost you a major portion of your stack, unless you can be certain you have your opponent dominated (and maybe even then).

Now lets say your playing on the major tourney circuit with tourtaments of at least 500 people. In your first 6 tournaments im going to deal u Aces first hand. Another very poor opponent will get 8's every time and go allin in front of you. All 6 times u call (of course right)... 5times u win and double up, 1 time you lose your buyin.

Has the extra 10,000 chips really increased your chance of winning the tournament by that much that it was worth risking elimination? This is at the very least worth a discussion! A tournament like this cant be won in the first day, but it can be lost!

You have 4,980,000 more chips to gain before you win the tourt, and a few hundred thousand more at least before you show any profit! Maybe schroedy question has some validity after all?

Open your minds!
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