Re: Calling Station
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And I disagree mightily with your "Even at 25NL 6Max, players don't reraise with just anything." I was reraised last night with both 88 and ATo. This is a great chance for you to be aggressive with a premium hand and take down a big pot, at least in my eyes.
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I did put a 10% of random/weaker holdings into villian's hand range preflop. Read the entire post.
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I have. So without any read on this player, you are going to assume that he will reraise preflop with nearly 20% of any possible holdings, and do it where he'll be out of position the entire hand? Any pair, AK, AQ, AJ, and 10% of other holdings is probably quite close to 15, maybe 20%.
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Also, what good does it do me to get "aggressive" like you say and fold out an improved AK/AQ/AJ/whatever when they will continue to bluff if I just call.
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OK, so if you call his bet on the flop and then he checks to you on the turn, what would you deduce? Again, you have said you have no read on this villain, so why get fancy with him? You don't know if he'll continue to bluff with overs, you don't know if he reraised TT preflop and has you scraping for 2 outs to hit a king.
Another question for you - is it that bad if you take the pot down right here? Sure, your line may have been more profitable this time, but would it be that bad to make a solid raise on the flop and have the opponent give it up?
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About the river, raising only has value if I think QQ/JJ will call a push and I have to be fairly convinced villian has these as opposed to AA.
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If you really thought he had AA, why are you seeing the river anyways? The only information you have is that he reraised preflop, and he's bet into you 3 times.
And, since he's bet into you 3 times, and you've never shown any strength except to passively call - I gather he would definitely call down a push, thinking you were trying to take the pot away, maybe with AT yourself.
I see QQ and JJ overpairs calling pushes a good amount in thees 25NL games.
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The weak betting pattern looks like bets intended to get max value from his AA or attempt a series of cheapish bluffs.
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Or could be he's trying to get maximum value from his QQ or JJ overpair.
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Neither one is consistent with QQ or JJ. QQ or JJ should be wanting to charge my "AK" maximum value to try and draw out.
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Yes, but again, you have no read. He's probably just a fish trying to make some money off his queens, honestly. If he has aces, then you were beat the whole time. I think you're giving this man far too much credit for knowing so little about him.
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This makes a river raise questionable in my eyes, as I'm either looking at the AA or a hand weaker than my own that can't call a push.
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Again, this is $25NL - QQ can call a push here, JJ can call a push here, AT could call a push here. He's shown you strength, if you don't think it's aces how can you NOT raise?
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Notice, that if villian has some wierd two pair or set raising has no value either. The river push only seems to make sense against QQ/JJ and this range seems to narrow too make it worth it.
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You might not do it against a player you know something about. 25NL players will not only reraise with a variety of subpar hands, they'll also call down with them as well. I could honestly fathom an ATs reraising you back from the blind thinking you were "stealing" and he was "defending" and calling you down here. Again, if you really think he has aces, why are you still here on the river? That's a feel thing.
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Anyone care to comment further on the merits of a river raise?
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Not saying your line was wrong, or mine with raising would be any better, just trying to provoke more conversation. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm interested to know what he actually had, as I'm thinking it was definitely QQ or JJ, and not AA.
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