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Old 04-13-2005, 09:11 PM
adamstewart adamstewart is offline
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Default Re: AJo: Folding good money after bad?

Preflop is standard.

As for the flop, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU RAISING??? You're certainly not doing so for value. So what types of hands are you trying to push out?

More than likely you're drawing to a 4-outer gutshot.


When the action is initally to you think about the following:

MP2 is a "sLA-A", so he's ALMOST CERTAINLY going to raise this flop (considering he 3-bet preflop).

The pot is going to be at least 15-16 sb's after the flop action, but you're going to have to put in *at least* TWO bets. In other words, you're going to get around 8:1 money for your 10:1 gutshot. Considering implied odds, this may be +EV, but only marginally so.

Don't forget that SB is also "LA-A," so that increases the chances that he may re-raise when the action comes back to him. This would force you to pay more money. If you're putting in THREE bets on this flop, that's not good. It pushes your calls into -EV.

Also, we haven't considered the chances that you draw to a split pot by the river, or that you actually lose to a flush or a boat. These possibilities are very small, but nevertheless, they push your effective odds above 10.5:1. (An arguement could be made, however, that these chances are offset by the times we pair an ace for a winning hand. But then again, hitting an ace could very well be reverse implied odds).


For the above reasons, I'm going to say something that some may disagree with:

Fold the flop
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At best this is a marginally +EV call on the flop, but more than likely it'll end up being very -EV.

(Note: for similar reasons your fold on the turn was probably correct).


Just my thoughts...

Adam
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