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Old 04-13-2005, 04:43 PM
grjr grjr is offline
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Default Re: Marginal hand #2 Play or no play

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I don't mind it being raised because I'll usually get more action post flop.

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Not if your opponents are passive. If you bet or raise a passive opponent, they tend to revert to thier passive nature and just call. You might extract 1 extra bet from them, but not more usually. Also, if they are weak they might even fold at some point, actually costing you bets.

In your OP, you said:

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MP2 is LPP, MP3 is LAP, SB and BB are TAP

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...indicating that each opponent is passive postflop. But then later you said:

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I don't get a lot of good reads on opponents

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The action that took place in the hand suggests that your opponents are in fact quite aggressive post flop - at least, they definitely aren't passive.

With the extraordinary aggression displayed by your opponents in this hand, I would change my original recommendation from "Fold, but its close," to "Call for implied odds." You did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons. You made 2 critical mistakes in this hand: 1) You did not have an accurate read on your opponents, and 2) you did not play correctly according to the read you did have. You were lucky in that your mistakes were self-neutralizing, causing you to play the hand correctly.

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I guess I'll be better off to leave the PT player stats out of these posts since the overwhelming majority of them will be less than 50 hands seen. My mistake on that.

MP2 was the only aggressive player after the flop (went nuts) but out of the 40 hands with him it looks like that was the only hand he raised ANYWHERE.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on one point. Just because a player is NORMALLY passive after the flop doesn't mean he is ALWAYS passive after the flop. If he raises at all preflop then those are the hands where he will tend to be aggressive post flop (because he has a good hand). This is what I'm talking about when I expect more action post flop when it's raised preflop--no matter the read on the opponent.
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