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Old 03-24-2005, 01:42 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default The river bet game

yesterday was a good session, minus a bunch of hands where my river play was suspect. so I'm postng a few hands and interested in what river action I should take. i'll make it a game, too, with either an "A,B, or C" answer, and points to each answer (yadda yadda) also if my play is poor on preceeding streets, say so.

This post contains 6 hands, also, so if you dont want to play "the river game," well.. ignore this =)

Winner gets... I dont know, someone make up an award or somehting (?)

Hand number 1

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($19.35)
SB ($291.70)
BB ($61.75)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($99.85)</font>
MP1 ($99)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($82.85)</font>
CO ($181.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($5) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $8.

River: ($29) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero ?

On river pot is 29, I have 70 ish he has me covered.
A. Check
B. Bet 10 to 15 (shade less then halfpot)
C. GO FOR THE GUSTO, BIG BET! (Full pot or more)

Hand number 2 (another KQ)

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<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($40)</font>
MP2 ($167.55)
CO ($59.35)
Button ($41.55)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($176.70)</font>
BB ($24.50)
UTG ($40)
UTG+1 ($131.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($7) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $5, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, MP1 calls $12.

River: ($41) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ?

On river pot is 41, villain has 22 I have more
A. Check with the intention of folding to a bet
B. Check with the intention of calling a bet
C. Put the rest of his stack in (half pot)

Hand 3 (hit my card for free)

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($41.75)
UTG+1 ($35.05)
MP1 ($45.40)
MP2 ($51.75)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($91.50)</font>
Button ($40.40)
SB ($123.80)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($100.70)</font>

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($4) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, SB folds, BB calls $8.

River: ($30) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ?

On river pot is 30, I have 78ish, he has slightly more
A. Check behind
B. Bet halfpot (or so, so 14 to 18 range), fold to checkraise
C. Same as B but call checkraise
D. Bet alot (25+) naturally all money goes in if BB gets frisky

Hand 4 (I'm very embarrassed by this one; this hand was bad, and here is typical "do as I say, not as I do")

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UTG+1 ($22)
MP1 ($167.55)
MP2 ($58.35)
CO ($40.55)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($197.70)</font>
SB ($23.50)
BB ($39)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($130.60)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($4.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($20.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, UTG calls $12.

River: ($44.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero ?

On river pot is 44, we both are still very deep (he has 110? I have more) *note: This player was fairly straightforward, his chance of a turn c/r was ~1%. I also kept wanting to play pots with him as he was straightforward in the level 1 sense; he made alot of money (later and prior to this hand) with trips no kicker, making a "tough" call vs a flush draw.
A. Check
B. Bet 20 to 26
C. Overbet! 40+

Hand 5

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($47.55)
SB ($62.85)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($48.65)</font>
UTG ($118.50)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($92.95)</font>
CO ($164.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($8.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, BB calls $5.

River: ($18.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ?

On the river the pot is 18, BB has 40ish left I have him covered.
A. Check (if anyone considers that, you fail no matter how good your other answers are)
B. 10 to 12 range (halfpot ish)
C. full pot (range of 17 to 20)
D. Overbet, lets put him in! (40) ~ a MoH esque river move.

Hand 6 (last one)

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($136.80)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($126.85)</font>
UTG ($33.15)
MP1 ($82.35)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($102.30)</font>
CO ($5.75)
Button ($20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($4) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls $3, SB folds.

River: ($10) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ?

River pot is 10, MP has 95+ I have a hedge more
A. Check with the intention of folding
B. Check with the intention of calling
C. Fire a bet 6 to 10 with the intention of calling a raise
D. Fire a bet 6 to 10 with the intention of folding to a raise (blocking bet)
E. Big bet! 11+

I'll generate a scale of points assigned to everything. I actually think the river play of a few hands is fairly interesting, others are more standard. I'll post what I did / points to everything in a day (or at the end of the day)
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