[cpk]

Oh, and one more thing--raising with "implied odds" hands does not "kill" our implied odds. Rather, we convert our implied odds into instant odds. Why get paid by just 2 or 3 of these clowns when our hands come in when we can get paid, in advance, by all of them?

That's what's you're doing when you make speculative raises with marginal hands. And, what's better, is that you will get even more money later anyway. So it's a win-win.

So, in other words, rather than getting nebulous implied odds from 1 or 2 people 18% of the time, we will simply raise now and get contributions from all 5 people, and we will get paid on those contributions 18% of the time. And, most likely, we will get those implied-odds contributions anyway. Plus, because of the bloated pot, we will probably get more action, not less.