[Shillx]

Ok you seem a bit confused so now that I am away from the tables I'll explain in more detail.

Advantages of raising the flop:

1) People with a pair (of kings) will call two cold drawing almost dead. Getting dead money in this pot will soften the blow if it comes down real bad on the turn/river.

2) No one is folding the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or even the J/T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], so you can't worry about them. The good thing though is that these cards might not be out there (but with 9 people seeing the flop, their is a better chance that there is). But lets say that someone is holding 88 w/ a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and will call for one bet and will fold for two on the flop. Getting this person out is certianly advantageous.

3) You make lots of $$$ when big [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]'s call two bets cold. Notice that if someone has the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and someone else has the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], the jack is drawing almost stone cold dead so you make lots of money when he calls all the way. Only one player can be drawing live against your flush (to a bigger flush), so you will get lots of people drawing to losing flushes.

Reasons to call the flop:

1) If a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] slides on 4th, you will happy that you didn't put in a lot of bets on the flop.

2) If a non-[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] hits on the turn, you can push a larger edge against the biggest club. You can also get big bets against the dead draws who are drawing to lower flushes (notice that they probably aren't drawing dead in this case because of the straight flush draw).

3) If you call the flop and someone makes 2 pair on the turn, they will not fold and will put lots of money into the pot drawing to just 4 outs. If you raise the flop, they might fold (say bottom or mid pair) there drawing almost stone dead.

Brad