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Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 10:09 PM
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Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I'm not sure about that logic Aisthesis. If I was at the 1st of 5 hands I think I'd ask myself, is this hand better than the best hand I can expect to get in the next 4 hands? If it is, wouldn't I...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 09:35 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

When iterating against the top half of the hands it's as if your saying that your opponent will call with the top half and fold with the bottom. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Maybe it could be...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 09:24 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

What is Karllson-Sklansky?

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 05:07 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I'm still thinking about some of the points you made in your last post Aisthesis. Also, see uudevil's link below to eastbay's "Self Balancing" method for possibly improving on the GoCee Heads up vs...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 04:38 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Great! Thanks uudevil. I thought that was a remarkably clever and interesting idea by eastbay. I didn't see much application for it at the time but low and behold it might be just what we need for...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 10:03 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Hey you know what. There was a poster here a while back who did some really interesting stuff regarding that question of how the hands actually hold up against each other. When I get a chance I'll...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 09:10 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

For the short stack tourny situation Aisthesis, wouldn't the natural hand ranking system just be according to heads up showdown performance? Here's a link to the GoCee site that gives that ranking...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-27-2004, 01:12 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Possible next step

Yea, I thought the Sklansky "Power Number" article was of more theoretical than practical value in that it was not necessarily the way to maximize +EV. However, it contained some interesting concepts...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 09:25 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Yes. I agree. As soon as there's action then everything changes. You might check out my posts in the "Proababilty" section on how Bayes' Theorum applies to poker. As I see it it's basically in this...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 06:41 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I think you're looking at the Median Hand Filip - which is not without merit itself. But what I'm looking for is the Median BEST Hand. In other words, deal out say 10 hands. Pick out the BEST of the...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 06:22 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

As far as starting hand requirments I think it's usefull just to get an idea about where you're at in relation to the likely better hands out there against you. You could tweek things by using a...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 06:14 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Louie: "The median best hand information is a fairly useful number but is by no means a mechanism for deciding what to play."

That's what I was thinking Louie. Interesting that with your...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 09:59 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I refer you to the posts by Aisthesis and my responses to him where progress is being made.

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 09:36 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Of course if you use the information to draw all the wrong conclusions then your are right in that you will obviously be wrong.

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 07:16 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Possible next step

Yes. One of the things I had in mind was the recent Sklansky CardPlayer article in which he anlayzed going all in heads up. The idea was that if your stack size was small enough in relation to the BB...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-26-2004, 02:20 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best HE Starting Hand (solution)

No. That's the beauty of Aisthesis's approach. He's looking at all 52c2 = 52*51/2 = 1326 possible starting hands - each of which IS equally likely. Then when it comes time to look at a hand ranked...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 10:02 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I disagree.

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 06:09 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Yes, of course you are right. But isn't a fundamental factor for whether your hand will show a profit a consideration of whether it is likely to be the best hand at the moment?

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 05:19 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I was repeating the "on the bubble" phrase introduced by a previous poster. In this context it's just another way of saying Median Best Hand.

Suppose you are heads up in a tournament and first to...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 04:47 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Some of us are just trying to understand something that I'm sure is already obvious to you astroglide.

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 03:07 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I'm thinking Aisthesis has the right approach below Louie. He uses your same reasoning but considers all equally likly 1326 possible starting hands. Here is a link to Hand Rankings accourding to...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 02:55 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

You refernce "pzhon" Bozeman. What is that?

PairTheBoard
Forum: Poker Theory 05-25-2004, 02:50 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best HE Starting Hand (solution)

By golly I think your on it Aisthesis. I think looking at the whole 1326 possible hands is the way to go since all are equally likely.

When I suggested finding the median best hand among 9 dealt I...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-24-2004, 08:55 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

Good observations uuDevil. What I'd really like to see is David or Mason express interest in the idea. If they were to do so I'm sure it would stimulate some work on the problem. A solution would...
Forum: Poker Theory 05-24-2004, 06:18 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 454
Posted By PairTheBoard
Re: Median Best Holdem Starting Hand

I refer everyone to Ed Miller's post and my reply.

Typical of a Novel idea. The first responses are usually, "it's already been done" when it hasn't, "it wouldn't be useful" when it would, and "it...
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