Forum: Small Stakes Hold'em
08-07-2005, 03:06 PM
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Replies: 16
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:52 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
More literal than pedantic. I mean, every edge is worth pushing, right?
Yes. I'm not good enough postflop to raise 66 here. I am to raise KJ.
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:49 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
All that said, raising here isn't the worst play in the world, but it is worse than calling.
Yup, I agree.
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:36 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
You never told me if you were raising A5s and 66, ATo, A9o, and A8o, KTo, QJo, or 55. Each of these have an equity edge over the same field listed in your KJo hand.
Pedantic much?
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:29 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
It's especially troublesome to me that someone might say that this is an easy raise, without qualification or understanding of how much equity he/she actually has in this situation.
I agree. ...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:16 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
I don't think the little edge you have preflop here is worth pushing
Every edge is worth pushing.
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:13 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
That's bullshit hyperbole, and you know it.
I agree.
Particularly the part where he said you were right.
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:12 AM
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Replies: 80
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Re: KJo in the BB
Let me quickly state something here. While I raise KJo in this BB, I've repeadetly said that it's a small edge in EV to do so. As such, it's not terribly rellevant to long term winrate independly. ...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:06 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
Which is why you are right, Smasharoo is wrong, and we need to discuss postflop play instead of these minute and irritating preflop decisions that aren't going to have a monstrous impact on our...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 04:02 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
I know that my opponent's most likely action postflop is calling in this game, and I know that by raising preflop, I make it more mathematically correct for them to do what they love: call.
You...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:50 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
I suspect that if he did withhold recommending raising it for variance reasons instead of value, he would have stated such.
I suspect not.
I suspect he wanted a clear bright line of EV for...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:44 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
JJ and AJs are still common enough limping hands that I think it is fair to estimate that they will still be out there.
Let's assume they're not.
What do your numbers look like then?
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:42 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
Huh? What does variance have to do with this? This is long-term we are talking about, not short-term.
Long term, the raise clearly makes more money.
There's not much of an argument otherwise,...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:40 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
The added fact that you are often making it profitable for a hand like A8 to call on an KJ8 flop is also something to consider. If your opponents are likely to call anyway, it is worth considering...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:35 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
P. 88, SSHE:
You often make an important trade off when you raise before the flop. When you have a pot equity edge, your raise has an immediate positive expectation because you will win more than...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:29 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
Now you are just being insulting to Entity.
How am I being insulting?
If I told you I didn't raise AA because I felt that when i did I could never get away from it postflop wouldn't you tell...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:27 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
My equity calculations were being generous (as your average limpers are not 55-60% VPIP'ers) to compensate for the fact that I did not remove certain hands from the range. I can remove those hands if...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:25 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
I'm saying I may not make a +EV play if it gives me a higher chance of making a much more +EV play later, and just as importantly, decreases my chances of making a -EV play later in the hand.
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:23 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
I asked you a simple question: are you raising A5s here?
I asked you a simple one. Are you not making +EV plays pre-flop because it's too hard for you to deal with postflop?
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:21 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
Oh while we're on the subject, I assume that your imaginary equity calculations include hands that we'd normally assume would be raised? AK/AA/ etc. etc.
Or do they take the fact that it's limped...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:18 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
Preflop life is more than equity, and when your edge over the field is a whopping 2%, pushing your "edge" really ain't all that hot, especially when you consider the difficulties presented in your...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 03:03 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
But what I worry about is bloating the pot with an offsuit hand. People will have correct odds to call with gutshots on the flop almost definitely.
Same is true of AKo. You'd raise that here,...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 02:52 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
This assumes that KJo can be assigned +EV from this position in the first place. A line has to be drawn for the hands that are worthy of a bet in the BB.
With three limpers, a hand like KJ is...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 02:38 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
Smasharoo- Lots of players(including myself) don't raise KQo from the BB after this many limpers.
I'm aware of that.
You should, however.
It's pretty hard to even think of a situation...
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Forum: Micro-Limits
06-13-2005, 02:35 AM
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Replies: 80
Views: 251
Re: KJo in the BB
That is a very suggestive question.
I guess. When you later accused me of claiming the button has Jacks, I pointed out that I never mentioned anything even vaguely simmilar.
Apparently that...
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