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Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Replies: 108
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Posted By microbet
Re: A New way to look at it: HANDICAP ICM for Hero...

I don't see it having to add up. The +ROI players are getting less because there is less to get. They are closer to perfection and you can't get better than that. The -ROI players might get more. ...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-23-2005, 02:24 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: This argument is silly, and the math sucks.

My part in the discussion was purely based on just starting with different chip stacks. Academic. I'm not talking about crazy allins on the first hand.
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-23-2005, 12:15 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: This argument is silly, and the math sucks.

ICM does discount the additional chips. The 45th chip added is worth less than the 44th chip added to your 1000 stack. (or all chips are devalued, same diff)

I also don't think this is worth the...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 10:39 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: A New way to look at it: HANDICAP ICM for Hero...

I think the extra chips are worth more to the average player than to the +ROI player. (that's based on ICM, player's styles could affect whether or not this is true in a specific case) I'm not sure...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 10:35 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: This argument is silly, and the math sucks.

Nic is not the only one to propose any math in here. I had stated before that the model should have points where the extra chips make no difference (ROI is perfect - Give someone all the chips). ...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 07:19 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: MATH: 45 extra chips to start 800-chip tourney adds >5% to ROI

Without understanding the effect why do you assume the 45 chips would be diminished like friction? Why wouldn't it snowball? I would start with it doing neither.

When you say it wouldn't have...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 05:13 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: MATH: 45 extra chips to start 800-chip tourney adds >5% to ROI

At 3% you're practically agreeing. I think the 5.5% math is not good. I put the cap at 4.6% in that example and as I mentioned in the other thread, I think it HAS to be less and the higher your ROI...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 04:37 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: Let\'s set criteria for open-pushing first hand...

For me, this discussion is just a fun math problem.

Pushing early with less than top hands is another issue. I don't really want to discourage people from doing it, but I'm not yet heartless...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: MATH: 45 extra chips to start 800-chip tourney adds >5% to ROI

Well, in the end the 8000 chips are worth the same to a winner as a loser, so each chip is certainly not worth some static non-zero percentage more for a good player than for a bad player.

I...
Forum: One-table Tournaments 09-22-2005, 04:15 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 360
Posted By microbet
Re: MATH: 45 extra chips to start 800-chip tourney adds >5% to ROI

[ QUOTE ]
take a 15% ROI player in 10/1 tournaments
1.15*11=12.65/tournament (-11 buyin = 1.65 profit)
ICM says they should only bring in 10/tournament if even skilled
12.65/10=26.5% advantage...
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