Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-21-2005, 11:09 AM
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Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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But, for the common usage of the term "subjective" (even in the fields of ethics and philosophy)
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I disagree with this statement but it's pretty much beside the point...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-21-2005, 08:57 AM
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Replies: 66
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Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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You still didn't give me any general principles that I'm ignoring.
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Well, I thought I did, but I'll be more clear. In that first example, both men were acting on the...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-20-2005, 05:33 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
LOL I tell you it's not meant as an insult and you go ahead and take it that way anyway?
Am I supposed to want to continue this discussion if you're going to act that way?
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-20-2005, 10:17 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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I'm not, so I think there are subjective & objective aspects to morality.
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Yep and that appears to be a result of just not thinking quite clearly enough about the...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-20-2005, 10:16 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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Yeah, you've said it before... but never explained. Please expound. Examples. More info. What general principles? How am I ignoring them?
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See your first example...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-20-2005, 08:57 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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By that definition, I'm definitely in the subjetive morality camp.
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I'm in neither, by those awful definitions.
When I say there is "objective" morality, I mean...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-19-2005, 01:57 PM
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Replies: 66
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Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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I can show that from a Darwinian point of view there is more Darwinian advantage to a male in being promiscuous and a female being faithful, without saying that I therefore think human...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-19-2005, 01:23 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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This is the difference of opinion, right here, I think. To me, there is only one moral principle: "act with the intent to do good". So, when I say morality is subjective, I mean those...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-19-2005, 01:21 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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Can you define what you mean by "subjective morality" and please explain thoroughly what you mean by "values".
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Subjective morality, in its traditional philosophical...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-19-2005, 09:09 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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It means something may be right for one person, and wrong for someone else, because of the a lot of factors (that I've listed).
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I realize that, but the problem is...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-18-2005, 02:31 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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I'm not sure why "subjective" means only a difference in *values*. Even then, values are at least partially resultant from a person's knowledge, background, and beliefs, aren't they? So,...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-18-2005, 11:08 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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1) When you say "*identical* circumstances", do you mean the people involved must be identical?
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No. As you said, that'd be meaningless.
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3) Do you...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-18-2005, 08:35 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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As a Christian, the source of that completness is God, and He is constant. Just something to think about...
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Your fairy tales really add nothing to the conversation...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-18-2005, 08:34 AM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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Differences in people, makes morality subjective... else the word subjective is meaningless in this context. Anyway, perhaps I'm misunderstaning what you are saying, so a more detailed...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-17-2005, 09:05 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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And I believe that morality is relative. What brings true happiness to one person, may not bring true happiness to someone else. People are different. Happiness is a subjective, then.
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-17-2005, 03:43 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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Not all things that bring happiness are accepted as good. Not all things that decrease happiness are accepted as bad. This is why the standard for good must come from eleswhere.
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-17-2005, 03:42 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
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So, how exactly would one measure, calculate, or determine this objective morality?
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Determine it by starting from basic ideas/principles. Rand laid a solid...
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-17-2005, 01:40 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
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Forum: Science, Math, and Philosophy
10-17-2005, 12:27 PM
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Replies: 66
Views: 264
Re: Absolute Morals and evolution
There are no gods and morality is objective. Human morality is based on human nature, which has evolved over thousands of years and is objective. Learning this is hard and most people don't bother...
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