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DocHollyday 05-14-2004 09:02 AM

200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
Blinds are 25/50, Hero's stack is 3340. BB stack is 2600, 6 players remaining.

Hero has the SB and gets dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Folded to him, he raises to 100. BB calls.

Flop: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets 100, BB calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero bets 200, BB goes all-in. What's your move? Results to follow.

blackaces13 05-14-2004 09:09 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
I think you have to fold it. You've got a lot of chips and it looks almost certain the BB has a flush.

tommy2 05-14-2004 09:36 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
I'd fold. I don't know about this level, but at the levels I play this is exactly how the flush draw player plays. Heck, I have even seen people pop out a 5 6o in situations like this. I'd save my powder.

woodguy 05-14-2004 10:06 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
What hand do you have him on?
FWIW with his call of a 4XBB (3XBB call) it could be JJ, QQ, or even KQs, KJs.
(with KK or AA, probably would have pushed PF)
If he is a weak player or a big gambler, he may have A5s.
I would make his move if I was protecting my K high flush against the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], or he might be protecting a set or overpair, but you would expect him to start protecting those hands on the flop with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on board and he just called.
Very close call, too early to risk alot of chips.
If he's good, he has the flush, if he's not, probably an overpair or a set. If he has A5s and called your PF bet, then you will beat him eventually anyhow.
regards,
woodguy

37offsuit 05-14-2004 10:09 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
What it comes down to is that you're behind to a lot of hands here. What are you willing to risk your tournament on?

I would have limped with this, and checked it on the flop, folded it to a reasonable bet. On this flop, you're chasing and even if you catch you have no idea whether you're hand is good. That's what put you in this spot where you have T400 invested. At this point, I'd only have T50 invested and this would be an easy fold.

Ask yourself this question: In relationship to the other stacks, what kind of hand would he be willing to risk his tournament on by pushing, given your actions so far and the fact that you have him covered?

If you were going for a blind steal preflop, bet more. If you were betting for value...pick a better hand to do it with, imo.

woodguy 05-14-2004 10:11 AM

oops misread the BB size, ignore my post! n/m
 
n/m

ClemsonAce 05-14-2004 10:23 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
I agree w/ 37offsuit on this situation, you are way behind if he has a flush already, he may have a higher straight, or he may have a set and then go on to make a full house. I think you have no choice but to lay it down at this stage in the tourney.

DocHollyday 05-14-2004 10:39 AM

Results
 
Thanks for all your answers fellows.

I expected what they were like and it just makes it more clear that I made a huge mistake, considering stage, stack sizes, remaining players etc. So I called with my straight and he showed Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I received no help and was crippled pretty much.

I keep on working! Good luck to all of you! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

fnurt 05-14-2004 10:46 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
In my opinion the mistake here was the minimum raise pre-flop. Your probably have the best hand, make him pay for a chance to beat you. When you make a minimum raise you give him odds to call with just about anything.

David Steele 05-14-2004 11:06 AM

Re: 200$ SnG / Chipleader / what would you do?
 
That's what put you in this spot where you have T400 invested At this point, I'd only have T50 invested and this would be an easy fold

What you have personally "invested" in a hand is irrelavent.

The real problem, as you also mention, is that his bets were not large enough.

D.


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