implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

Dealt 53o in BB.
UTG+1, CO-1, button, and SB all limp.
I see the free flop and its: A72 rainbow. UTG+1 bets out, CO-1 folds, button calls, SB calls. My action?
With the rake, it's 7.8-1 to call now.

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

You're 1 to 11 to make it on the turn. I personally would muck. I guess implied odds might make it worth while but I'm not calling. Anyone else chase this?

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

Fold

You need 10.75-1 to see the turn.

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

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Dealt 53o in BB.
UTG+1, CO-1, button, and SB all limp.
I see the free flop and its: A72 rainbow. UTG+1 bets out, CO-1 folds, button calls, SB calls. My action?
With the rake, it's 7.8-1 to call now.



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- you're closing the action
- if you hit, you have great relative position to the bettor
- you only need to make up about 3 SB. you can EASILY do this
- you are drawing to the nuts
- if you hit, it's not likely anyone will have a decent redraw

I call and I don't think it's close

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

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- you're closing the action
- if you hit, you have great relative position to the bettor
- you only need to make up about 3 SB. you can EASILY do this
- you are drawing to the nuts
- if you hit, it's not likely anyone will have a decent redraw

I call and I don't think it's close

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I agree, I guess this depends on heros leval of skill. Me personally? I fold beacuse I try to keep my decisions based on immediate pot odds, it keeps me out of trouble.

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

I don't think the implied odds are there.

The only caller you'll get is the bettor who (most likely) has a pair of Aces. Everyone else will fold when you bet or raise knowing you hit a straight. But, it IS one small bet and you ARE on the Button. If that A had been a T or lower, I'd feel better about calling because a small pair might win.

Spyder

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

IMHO, Peel 1.

As someone said you are now the button. Position is often relative. You are no longer "out of position".

If you hit and check-raise and the 2 caught in between both fold and the bettor calls you still have their 2 big turn bets. That's an additional 8 sbs for 1 sb now. Implied odds are +15:1 for the turn. If you think the bettor will fold to a check-raise that's still enough 13:1.

The table seems pretty passive, no flush draws out yet, they might even check the turn through and let you see a free river [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

OTOH you might hit and they check the turn through [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

Fold...period

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

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I don't think the implied odds are there.

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if he has a pair of aces, then he'll pay off 2 BB, more likely 3 BB. all you need for implied odds are 1.5 BB.

Re: implied odds on the gutshot (out of position)?
 

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I agree, I guess this depends on heros leval of skill. Me personally? I fold beacuse I try to keep my decisions based on immediate pot odds, it keeps me out of trouble.

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what does it have to do with level of skill? if you're capable of betting or check-raising the nuts, then you win money. it's not that difficult