Who made the bigger mistake?
 

The Scene: Party Poker 10-20 - very loose and not very aggressive. The other table from the one in my post "Save 1 big bet?"

I get dealt A3o on the button. The utg (our antagonist in this hand) limped, a couple (three?) others limped and I limped while the blinds came along. Loose I know, but I'm feeling spunky at this table and feel like I can outplay these guys on later streets.

The flop was K3x. After the utg bet and the others folded I raised to get heads-up, which I did. The utg called.

The turn was some medium blank card and we both checked.

The river was another 3 and the utg check called my bet and showed K9s (or was it K8s? I don't zackly 'member.)

BR

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

Well you certainly did outplay him. If he's going to play top pair so weakly, your thought than you can outplay 'em seems justified. So long as we define outplaying as losing less than they would and winning more than they would in the same situation, which I suppose is the only definition there is.

An example of pre-flop play not being all that important if your position allows you to use your skills to play better than your opponents post-flop.

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

He most certainly did NOT outplay him.

This is a beautiful example of horrible playing being lauded as 'good' in light of results.

He chased 5 outs in a small pot with no pot odds. Pathetic.

Not to mention how poorly A3o plays at all, nevermind in a multi-way pot.

He didn't outplay him. Outplaying would have been to get his opponent to fold his better hand. Especially after that horrible turn check, the opponent will call basically any river bet. Getting lucky does not count as outplaying, and surely POOR play doesn't count either.

If this is how you play, come play at my table PLEASE!!

-Scott

Perhaps, but...
 

Didn't he say he was feeling spunky? I mean, I'd much rather take A3o out for a spin on the button with all them limpers instead of say,

limping UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], now, wouldn't you?

~stephen

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

I completely agree. The poster will get no praise from me. Using the excuse that he was "feeling frisky" and the fact that he had the button as an excuse to play A3o in a multiway pot is horrible. That's called tilt.

Chasing a 5-out draw in a small pot headsup is ludicrous. If your goal was to really outplay your opponent, and not try to outdraw him, then you should've bet the turn to try and push him off of a better hand.

At least you played the river correctly, although you never should've been there in the first place.

GoT

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

I'm not sure any player, no matter how good, can play well enough after the flop to turn A3o into a winner in a 7-handed pot, even from the button, even in a very soft game. A3o just doesn't make enough strong hands.

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

He bought a free card with a raise. A bet on the turn will get a call anyhow, so that serves no purpose, if he bets when checked to. The other player messed up by not leading out on the turn if he intended to see a showdown thinking that top pair was best. He can fold if he doesn't improve.

Outplaying doesn't always mean making them fold.

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If this is how you play, come play at my table PLEASE!!

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This is ridiculous on many levels.

~D

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

Not that I'm defending anyone, but I guess wheels and trips don't count, eh?

~stephen

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

He didn't say it didn't make any good hands just not as many as other hands.

72o can flop boats and quads and other juicy hands too, but you aren't going to play that anytime soon.

Re: Who made the bigger mistake?
 

Loose I know, but I'm feeling spunky at this table and feel like I can outplay these guys on later streets.

Sorry, not a loose call but a true turkey. You got lucky.