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Andrew Fletcher 12-16-2005 11:36 AM

Open push with KK
 
I've been at the table for about two hours and villian has been on a great rush. He's totally the table captian and really wants to "outplay" me post-flop. What do you guys think? Does he call with AQ/AJ/JT/small PP enough for this to be profitable?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) converter

CO ($19.40)
Hero ($36.25)
SB ($26.55)
BB ($6.35)
UTG ($36.20)
UTG+1 ($47.55)
MP1 ($10.35)
MP2 ($7.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35.5</font>...

Finite_Risk 12-16-2005 11:38 AM

Re: Open push with KK
 
If he has half a brain he isnt calling with anything you beat except AQ

That said, half the responses will be "this is SSNL, these guys suck and will call with anything"

I still think this is spewing money long term

PoBoy321 12-16-2005 11:39 AM

Re: Open push with KK
 
1: Raise more pre-flop, I like $1.50

2: This is so read dependent that there is absolutely no possible way to know whether or not he will call with a worse hand. Personally, I hate this line. Call the check/raise then tread lightly unless a K or 6 comes off.

Andrew Fletcher 12-16-2005 11:41 AM

Re: Open push with KK
 
But, what do I do if he starts typing "WE ARE PENN STATE" over and over again into the chat? Do I throw my computer out the window?

4_2_it 12-16-2005 11:45 AM

Re: Open push with KK
 
I don't like the push, though if you think he is putting you on a missed AK, then he will call with any Q or J. Totally read dependent.

Sometimes I will 3-bet that flop, others I will call planning to raise his turn bet.

Andrew Fletcher 12-16-2005 11:46 AM

Re: Open push with KK
 
Seriously though, I think you are right. I think his obviously going to call with QJ/JJ/QQ/AQ. It's really all about him calling with AK, JT, TT-77. Given the PF action, I think that's a reasonable hand range. If I had like 1,000,000 hands datamined from the 25NL I might be able to figure it out for sure. Sadly, anyone who can datamine 1,000,000 hands has stopped opening the 25NL tables.

Andrew Fletcher 12-16-2005 11:48 AM

Re: Open push with KK
 
Fair enough. It just seemed like there were a lot of scare cards that could push me off my hand and also shut down my action. I do like calling and then pushing to his turn bet.


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