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12-15-2005 01:18 AM

Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
First hand at the table so no reads thus far

$1/$2 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 14, 23:49:04 EDT 2005
Table Table 65623 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: OnThInIcE911 ( $48 )
Seat 3: carl72 ( $58 )
Seat 4: BBallNYC ( $127.75 )
Seat 5: molsonkc ( $64 )
Seat 6: robizblazin ( $91.50 )
Seat 7: Villian ( $49 )
Seat 8: Standupbear ( $56 )
Seat 9: MrBenney ( $53 )
Seat 10: SvilleTx ( $75.75 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $50 )
BBallNYC posts small blind [$0.50].
molsonkc posts big blind [$1].
Hero posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
robizblazin folds.
Villian [$2].
Standupbear folds.
MrBenney folds.
SvilleTx folds.
OnThInIcE911 folds.
Hero calls .
carl72 folds.
BBallNYC folds.
molsonkc calls.
(Pot 6.5 SB)
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
molsonkc checks.
Villian checks.
Hero Bets
molsonkc folds
Villian calls
Pot (4.25 BB)
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Villian checks.
Hero bets .
Villian raises
Hero calls
Pot 8.25 BB
** Dealing River ** [ 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Villian bets
Hero???

Can I call this with no diamond? Any critiques of my flop and turn bets?

12-15-2005 01:36 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
Any reads on the raiser?

3 bet pre-flop, to make it heads up.
3 bet the turn.
Call down river regardless of what falls methinks.

12-15-2005 02:10 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
Three bet preflop, I like your turn, I fold the river.

bottomset 12-15-2005 04:30 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
shmoosh,

3bet preflop

flop and turn are good

river is a call

Josh

vhuntd 12-15-2005 06:11 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
Really tough one I think. I want to say call with 9-1 but what are you really hoping to see? AK no diamond, QQ no diamond, AA no diamond? Almost any raising hand beats you now including KK which seems to be a very real possibility. I think that a fold here is what you should do...there's almost no way that you're ahead here against anybody but the worst of 1/2 fish.

12-15-2005 10:11 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
i think you have to either fold when c/r on the turn, or call down for one bet on turn and one on river. I think you're probably beat on the turn, but it's hard to say without reads.

G.

12-15-2005 10:57 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
I think you have to call the turn check raise...arent the odds of hitting a full house or better 1 in 3.

I'm guessing you're good 1 in 9 times to call on the river.

You should probably reraise preflop but I'm not entirely sure it's to get heads up.

defence18 12-15-2005 11:06 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
I don't think you can reraise preflop against an EP raiser on the first hand at a new table with 99. In fact, if he hadn't of posted the BB, he probably should have mucked against the raise.

vhuntd 12-15-2005 11:10 AM

Re: Do I call this river with a four flush on board?
 
You can't fold to the turn craise because of the odds you're getting, the number of hands you beat, and the unlikelihood that villain has a hand that beats you.

You also can't say that once you've called the turn you can call any river. There's a wide range of hands that you beat on the turn but that just overtook you on the river diamond.


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