Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

should i have just folded this pf since the stacks are not very deep and he's repping a monstaa? seems like TJs is a nice multi-way hand when there's the possibility of reaping some serious value out of a hit.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter

Hero ($99.80)
Button ($42.35)
SB ($24.70)
BB ($40.56)
UTG ($51.25)
UTG+1 ($43.05)
MP1 ($43.70)
MP2 ($49.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $4.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $3, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($15.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $15.50

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

I do not like cold calling raises with TJs period. I will only do it if 3 or 4 people are already in the pot.

You are not in particularly good position either and will have to fold if someone else reraises behind you preflop.

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

Yuck, just fold PF. SB is too short to make playing this effective. J10s- easily the most overrated hand in poker [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

How did hero cold call? He had position on both UTG and SB. When UTG raised, Hero smooth called. Then SB raised, hero called again, not cold, because he already put a bet in. Is it standard to fold getting 4-1 with position on both players (albeit SB is short).

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

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How did hero cold call? He had position on both UTG and SB. When UTG raised, Hero smooth called. Then SB raised, hero called again, not cold, because he already put a bet in. Is it standard to fold getting 4-1 with position on both players (albeit SB is short).

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I think the first call was meant, when hero was getting 1.4:1 with two players yet to act. I agree the second call is standard given the pot odds and position, but hero was only in that spot because of his earlier mistake. Classic pre-flop compounding error, where hero ended up paying $5 to see a 3-way flop with JTs

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

Fold pf
By the way, what was the flop action, what did utg+1 and hero fold to?

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

Nothing here is really terrible, but I'd much rather call a raise with a hand like 65s or a low pair than JTs. The reverse implied odds can be brutal against a lot of raising hands, and its often harder to get away from postflop.

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

I must dissent...

If the post was:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero ... ?

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I would say that the rule of 5/10 dictates a call.

Discuss.

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

The 5/10 rule applies only to pocket pairs, yes?

A wise man once said to me: "JTs is a crappy hand, fold it." I have yet to prove him wrong.

Re: Is TJs kind of a waste against a short-stack?
 

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The 5/10 rule applies only to pocket pairs, yes?

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Unsure. My interpretation is that it applies to any hand that can flop big if you are consideriing coldcalling in position.

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