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12-12-2005 05:41 PM

isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
Don't have specific reads, but I just remember villian had a decently high vpip, but pretty standard for 1-2 6max tables.

Comments on all streets appreciated ... can I call this river-donk?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Vote4Pedro 12-12-2005 05:48 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
For these situations, my "Rule Of Thumb" goes something like this...

Call a river-donk from a donkey, but fold to a donkey's river c/r

sccrneo 12-12-2005 07:44 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
i think your ahead enough to make this call profitable. with the pre-flop raise, i would guess that he is putting you on missed overcards and hoping to take the pot with his river bet. i would easily make this call on the river.

DCWildcat 12-12-2005 10:19 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
pretty easy call i think

12-12-2005 10:28 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
Call &gt; Raise &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Fold

@bsolute_luck 12-12-2005 11:09 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
call &gt; fold &gt; and raising isn't even an option. it has been disabled.

i bet you he has something stupid like 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

12-12-2005 11:12 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
He showed jack - no - kicker

DCWildcat 12-12-2005 11:19 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
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He showed jack - no - kicker

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buddy list him

12-12-2005 11:31 PM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
River call is ok, it would be silly to fold for 1 more bet. Unless he decided to slowplay his pair of jacks, I don't know what he has here that has you beat, that he wouldn't raise on the flop/turn.

12-13-2005 01:08 AM

Re: isolation to middle pair ... do i call the donk?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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He showed jack - no - kicker

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buddy list him

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what was so wrong with his play outside of the preflop call?

and to luck: how is raising not an option here? what are you afraid of getting 3bet by? 35? 44? some 2 pair river spike? his range includes a 9 or a PP or even just a bluff that he will call the raise with 'to see what you had'. i think you are good way more than 55% of the time here, and when your not it is usually against a weak J that aint 3betting you.


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