KQo OOP against aggressive player
 

villain is slightly loose and aggressive, something like 24/11/3.4

Calling down after the flop sucks because I don't know what I need to hit to win. Just folding seamed to be weak.
Do you think my donk bet is +EV against an aggressive player who could raise me with QQ or JJ?
Or should I just fold and move on? I think this is a tought spot and I could lose a lot of money here unless I can play perfectly postflop. So, I think folding maybe the best option here. Thoughts?


Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB.

Re: KQo OOP against aggressive player
 

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villain is slightly loose and aggressive, something like 24/11/3.4

Calling down after the flop sucks because I don't know what I need to hit to win. Just folding seamed to be weak.
Do you think my donk bet is +EV against an aggressive player who could raise me with QQ or JJ?
Or should I just fold and move on? I think this is a tought spot and I could lose a lot of money here unless I can play perfectly postflop. So, I think folding maybe the best option here. Thoughts?


Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB.

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I might check/raise this flop, rather than bet out. If he 3-bets, we're in trouble and can safely fold the turn. His PFR is normal, so we have to think we're probably up against TT-AA or AK. Maybe AQ if he's loose with his 3-bets. We're ahead of TT-QQ and way behind KK, AA, AK.

In fact, now that I think about it more, this seems like a good time to use a WA/WB line - check/call, check/call, bet.

Re: KQo OOP against aggressive player
 

im pretty sure you can peel the flop, folding the turn ui

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im pretty sure you can peel the flop, folding the turn ui

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what kind of card on the turn are you looking for? All my 5 outs can make my hand second best and lose a lot of money.

Re: KQo OOP against aggressive player
 

How low of a pair will he 3-bet here? If we assume AK,AQ, AA-99, you're looking at:

Losing to AK (6), AQ (9), AA (3), KK (1) = 19 combos
Beating QQ (3), JJ (6), TT (6), 99 (6) = 21 combos

Since he'll raise us with a worse hand or a better one, I don't want to give him a chance to fold us out. Looks like a quintessential WA/WB siuation to me.

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How low of a pair will he 3-bet here? If we assume AK,AQ, AA-99, you're looking at:

Losing to AK (6), AQ (9), AA (3), KK (1) = 19 combos
Beating QQ (3), JJ (6), TT (6), 99 (6) = 21 combos

Since he'll raise us with a worse hand or a better one, I don't want to give him a chance to fold us out. Looks like a quintessential WA/WB siuation to me.

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alright, makes sense, thanks.
That donk bet did not feel right anyway.

Re: KQo OOP against aggressive player
 

Hmmmmmm. I'm gonna propose a radical line here. 3bet the flop and fold to a cap. If he calls, lead the turn and fold to a raise. Or you could just play this SA/WWWWWB and call it down.

-Jaran

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Hmmmmmm. I'm gonna propose a radical line here. 3bet the flop and fold to a cap. If he calls, lead the turn and fold to a raise. Or you could just play this SA/WWWWWB and call it down.

-Jaran

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If you're ahead, villain is drawing to two outs with TT or JJ and one out with QQ. What do you put the opponent on that hero can be only slightly ahead here?

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Hmmmmmm. I'm gonna propose a radical line here. 3bet the flop and fold to a cap. If he calls, lead the turn and fold to a raise. Or you could just play this SA/WWWWWB and call it down.

-Jaran

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If you're ahead, villain is drawing to two outs with TT or JJ and one out with QQ. What do you put the opponent on that hero can be only slightly ahead here?

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True. What I was trying to get across here is that in no way am I playing this hand c/c, c/c, bet unless the turn/river comes running K's. If I decide to call it down, I'm not betting the river.

-Jaran

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Given his TAGish stats and the fact that he's on the button, i'd say his 3-betting range is reasonably wide. Thus i want to also jump on the WA/WB bandwagon.