UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

I know there's lots of threads about this game but I thought this should have it's own:

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Hand #10130276-2092 at Sussex (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 09/Dec/05 03:39:45

Mahatma is at seat 0 with $37348.
deerchaser21 is at seat 1 with $14959.
blindsquirljr is at seat 2 with $19455.50.
SpaceBoy06 is at seat 3 with $34858.
gandi9 is at seat 4 with $33411.
The Awesomest is at seat 5 with $20000.
LivTheLif is at seat 6 with $12545.
PokerCyborg is at seat 7 with $20472.
pjfff is at seat 8 with $10897.
mungle is at seat 9 with $26488.
The button is at seat 9.

Mahatma posts the small blind of $100.
deerchaser21 posts the big blind of $200.

Mahatma: -- --
deerchaser21: -- --
blindsquirljr: -- --
SpaceBoy06: -- --
gandi9: -- --
LivTheLif: -- --
PokerCyborg: -- --
pjfff: -- --
mungle: -- --

Pre-flop:

blindsquirljr folds. SpaceBoy06 raises to $500.
gandi9 folds. LivTheLif folds. PokerCyborg folds.
pjfff folds. mungle re-raises to $1800. Mahatma
calls. deerchaser21 folds. SpaceBoy06 re-raises to
$7400. mungle re-raises to $24200. Mahatma folds.
SpaceBoy06 goes all-in for $34858. mungle goes all-in
for $26488. SpaceBoy06 is returned $8370 (uncalled).


Flop (board: 4s 4d Ah):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 4s 4d Ah 3d):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 4s 4d Ah 3d 2s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

SpaceBoy06 shows As Ad.
SpaceBoy06 has As Ad 4s 4d Ah: full house, aces full of fours.
mungle shows Kh Kd.
mungle has Kh Kd 4s 4d Ah: two pair, kings and fours.


Hand #10130276-2092 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $54976.
SpaceBoy06 wins $54973 with full house, aces full of fours.
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If you have KK, do you ever fold PF or just call somewhere PF instead of pushing and see a flop and re-evaluate then? Because stacks are sort of deep and there's lots of money at play, do you play a little more cautiously regardless of table image or meta-game stuff?

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

I don't think it will ever get folded at these stakes....people push with a lot less from what I have observed.....

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

Yes, true, and I agree.

But maybe the KK hand could've just called after the 2nd or 3rd raise or whatever PF and could've easily folded his hand on the flop or turn or river once that Axxxx board hits. Obviously, the AA hand will slow play if he's willing to trap and KK wouldn't lose his stack.

Another way to play is to just see a flop and IF the Ace doesn't hit then maybe he can get more info. He'll probably go all-in anyways but just saying that maybe you can slow down sometimes with big hands PF, even KK, or even AA, instead of trying to get your stack in the middle as fast as possible.

Why not try to wait for nut or near nut hands before you commit so much? Is this thinking too weak-tight?

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

I think when I get 5-bet, i know its AA vs. KK

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

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Why not try to wait for nut or near nut hands before you commit so much? Is this thinking too weak-tight ?

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Yes. You will be run over.

Ever hear of a nut-peddler?

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Why not try to wait for nut or near nut hands before you commit so much? Is this thinking too weak-tight?

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You'll get taken apart at 5/10 if you do this, much less 100/200. Nut peddling is not a viable strategy at higher stakes.

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

That's what I'm saying

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

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Because stacks are sort of deep

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????????????

Re: UB 100/200: AA vs KK
 

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Why not try to wait for nut or near nut hands before you commit so much? Is this thinking too weak-tight?

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You'll get taken apart at 5/10 if you do this, much less 100/200. Nut peddling is not a viable strategy at higher stakes.

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At 5/10 you can definitely get away from KK preflop. Nut peddling can be pretty viable too.

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I think when I get 5-bet, i know its AA vs. KK

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Yeah, but in this case when I get 5-bet I'm also getting ~23:1 on my call