KK too aggressive?
 

any thoughts on how i played this? i felt unsure on the turn, but didnt want to seem weak, did i bet too much? i cant really fold to the raise can i?? thanks in advance. villian is 24/2.6.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($83.06)
MP ($261.71)
CO ($38.55)
Button ($46.50)
Hero ($62.55)
BB ($14.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, MP folds, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($22.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, CO calls $28.55 (All-In), Hero calls $8.55.

River: ($79.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $79.60

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

Raise 3-4 preflop. Bet 15 or push the turn. I prefer push. You can't fold to the turn raise.

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

No, you aren't folding to the raise. If you think you are beat (and you may well be) then make a smaller bet on the turn and fold to his raise. In general, on a Broadway flop you probably do not want to play for a large pot with just an over pair.

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

If you bet $5 on the flop the pot is now $16 on the turn and you can easily bet something like $10 and fold to a raise. Not the best spot to overbet the pot considering stack sizes.

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

your preflop raise completely sucks. If you don't raise enough to get everyone out preflop, you've gotta tread very carefully on any flop that has 2 broadway cards, and even more carefuly when it's 3 broadways in a row on the turn...two pair or a straight is extremely likely. I think you were drawing dead to the ace on the turn but after the big bet you had to call the raise.

I think because of the misplay preflop this became a check/fold on the turn unless you were given odds to draw at the str8.

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

what should i have raised to p/f?

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

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Raise 3-4 preflop.

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Re: KK too aggressive?
 

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If you bet $5 on the flop the pot is now $16 on the turn and you can easily bet something like $10 and fold to a raise. Not the best spot to overbet the pot considering stack sizes.

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If people keep posting stuff like this, there's hope that I'll understand pot control someday. Thanks.

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

If you aren't isolating with your big pocket pairs you definately aren't raising enough.

Re: KK too aggressive?
 

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what should i have raised to p/f?

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Standard preflop raises are 4xbb + 1bb for every limper.


So your minimum opening raise at the 50 NL tables should be $2...you didn't even raise to that...you only raised to $1.75...nobody is folding to that....you gave everyone awesome odds to suck out on your KK and then likely paid them off when you were losing.

Once there are several limpers and I have large pockets i'll often raise even more than my normal 4xbb+1...I might have raised to $4 or $5 here....if I've got a donkey that I know will call i'd raise to $10 here....depends on your reads.