Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

Party 3/6 6 max, but we're 5 handed for this first one.

Folded to the SB, he's a donk, like 40/25 and yelling at people on the table. An even bigger calling station (but passive) has posted a blind + dead UTG+1.

SB raises, I call in the BB with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (I think I hate this and that 3-betting is the CLEAR move).

Poster calls.

Flop

T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB bets, I call, poster calls.

Turn A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB Bets, I fold because I'm pretty sure I don't have the best diamond draw.



Hand 2, same table, but thanks to the yelling, a lot has changed.

I'm on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, I raise, SB Folds, BB calls, limpers call.

Flop

Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet, UTG calls, (he's the passive calling station from earlier), UTG+1 calls.

Turn

7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet, UTG calls, next guy raises. He's popped me on the turn three times so far, and I've had to fold things like bottom pair and Ace high. This feels a TON like he's taking a shot at me, and I 3-bet. UTG tanks and calls, raiser calls.

River 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

checked to me and I check behind because I thought I was dead once they both called the turn [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

The call in hand 1 made me vomit all over my keyboard (edit: to clarify I was refering to the absence of a 3bet preflop. I would have folded the flop, but I think it's much closer).

Any more reads on UTG+1? If he's LAGgro enough that you like your turn 3-bet, you should be betting this river.

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

WHy did you call flop then fold because you "Didn't think you had the best diamond draw". Besides catching the miracle 8, I don't see how else you are winning this.

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

How many outs do you think we have in hand 1 on the flop? I think I'd just ditch it then. I'd raise PF, wanna get the poster out, plus teh value.

Hand 2 I'd want to have seen him actually check/raise bluff a protected pot on the turn in the past to 3 bet here. Was it heads up the past 3 times he check/raised you? It'd suck to get capped by 74, just call it down.

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

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WHy did you call flop then fold because you "Didn't think you had the best diamond draw". Besides catching the miracle 8, I don't see how else you are winning this.

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He was getting a better price, and didn't know whether the poster liked his hand on the flop. He could win by catching a diamond, I just don't think he wins often enough on the flop or the turn. We're not closing the action, either.

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

I called the flop in hand 1 for the reasons sharpie suggested, but clearly that hand is pointless because the preflop 3-bet that I should have made changes the hand A LOT.

The calling station scared me more than the guy who raised me on the turn in hand 2. I do think that a value bet is still probably correct there though.

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

hand 1, fine play POSTFLOP

hand 2, EWW GROSS RIVER CHECK BET FOLD

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

Hand 1 I would threebet pre-glop. I also like calling the turn, I see no reason to think they have better fds.

I don't know about hand two. It's hard because I already know the results. So I am pretty tainted. I also never 3bet there. But you gave a good reason to do so.

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

hand 1 I 3 bet that PF, not even close IMO

hand 2: I bet the river, be brave! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Wherein our usually aggro hero gets timid, like field mouse!
 

hand 2: it may be slighlty passive but i like checking it through. They arent going to call with anything that you beat. Not only did UTG+1 check raise you on a weird board but UTG cold called TWO Big Bets. I think your beat here more often than not and a free SD sounds awfully nice