A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

Hero opens CO A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Button (unknown) cold calls, SB (42/3/1) calls, BB TAG calls.

Flop 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Check to me, I bet, everyone calls.

Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Check to me, I bet, button raises, SB CCs, BB folds, Hero folds.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

Yeah, getting 11:1 closing the action when you very likely have 5 outs if your hand is not good (which is not a forgone conclusion), I really don't like this fold. And I'd say you have to see the showdown for 1 bet on the river too.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

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Yeah, getting 11:1 closing the action when you very likely have 5 outs if your hand is not good (which is not a forgone conclusion), I really don't like this fold. And I'd say you have to see the showdown for 1 bet on the river too.

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When behind, 5 outs is extremely optimistic. As a matter of fact, it's the max.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

True, 5 is the max, and indeed it would be a trivial call if we knew we had 5. But I do believe our non-A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] outs are clean a significant majority of the time we are beat. Given that, we only need to have the best hand and have it hold up a few percent of the time to make this a call given our immediate pot odds. [My original post was poorly worded as it did indeed suggest we had 5 outs most of the time, whereas I'd say we only have 5 outs a lot of the time.]

Would you make this fold? Would you fold the river UI?

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

This is a tough decision. I think a fold is best here simply because I think a lot of times on the river you are going to get into a situation where you aren't real sure where you stand. You could be drawing dead already or drawing to between 2-5 outs. Im not real happy about the times when I hit an ace either. What are you going to do about the times you hit the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and it goes bet you call and then it gets raised behind you? I think I fold this on the turn.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

Yes, I would fold with a raiser and cold-caller.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

Button play streams of pocket pair or flush draw. If he has pocket pair (22,33,44,55,66,77), you can be drawing dead. But flush draw with 2 face cards is also pretty likely.

As there is flush (and straight draw) on board, you should call this down.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

i agree. 11:1 is a lil too much for a 5 outter that is rarely tainted and sometimes ahead.

Re: A6c 3 way, fold I don\'t like anymore
 

since it sounds like you are planning on calling the river (not overcalling?) aren't we really getting something like 12:2?