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4_2_it 11-27-2005 10:03 AM

How much do you trust your reads?
 
Villain is 55/0/1 (River aggression is a 2). My player notes after 125 hands are: Limps AK and checks on river with strong hands(twice, once with the nuts).

Knowing this, do you call, raise or fold the river?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG ($121)
Button ($160.65)
SB ($175.95)
Hero ($366.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($12) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10</font>, Hero ??????

Hattifnatt 11-27-2005 10:06 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
Insta-fold.

soah 11-27-2005 10:59 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
Fold the flop.

11-27-2005 11:08 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
You're only beating a bluff, unless I'm missing something.

4_2_it 11-27-2005 11:17 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
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Fold the flop.

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Really, even though it's 4-handed?

Hattifnatt 11-27-2005 11:20 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
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Fold the flop.

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Really, even though it's 4-handed?

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I think you should raise (and fold to a 3-bet) or fold.

soah 11-27-2005 11:32 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
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Fold the flop.

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Really, even though it's 4-handed?

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How is that at all relevent?

4_2_it 11-27-2005 11:56 AM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
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Fold the flop.

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Really, even though it's 4-handed?

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How is that at all relevent?

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More along the line of no pre-flop raise. 4-handed, raising standards are lower for most. Why did he limp? He likes to slowplay big hands so the fact that he started betting caught my attention.

He bets a K, Q or any pp here. I probably should have raised, but he instafolds anything I beat and I felt that I was ahead on the flop and wanted to keep the pot small.

Skuzzy 11-27-2005 01:03 PM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
My read is your beat, fold. Don't bluff a guy this weak and stupid. Your read suggests he plays scared and likes to try for a C/R on the river, it doesn't say whether he folds a hand on the river he's bet near to the pot on. He bet the flop, checked the Ace and now bets again on the river when the Q hits. He plays weakly yet bet with a high pair on board and an ace out , so I don't think he's playing with you. If he's tried to C/R this table twice on the end and missed maybe he's just given up on that plan.

Oh, I'm still a pansy though [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Note: (what difference does a 7 kicker make if it doesn't play here?)

rikz 11-27-2005 01:51 PM

Re: How much do you trust your reads?
 
If he has a king, then he's probably got a higher kicker. If he has a queen, then he's obviously winning. He's certainly representing a queen by checking the turn and betting when the board pairs. An Ace obviously is beating you. Then there are better hands. So, you only beat a bluff. There is nothing in your read about him river bluffing on scary boards, so I'd fold on the river.


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