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11-23-2005 02:37 PM

Value bet this river?
 
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks


Villain is 30/15/1.1 over 30 hands.

Value bet this river?

11-23-2005 04:06 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
Here is the villains hand range IMO(I forgot you had JsJc so I edited my hand range). AsKs,AcKc,KsQs,or Qx or some other hand that doesnt make sense that you are either ahead or behind. Notice that if you bet the river only a better hand will usually call or possibly checkraise. You played the hand very well on every street, check the river and youve played it perfectly.

Nick Royale 11-23-2005 04:08 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
Our read isn't strong. I like raising this turn as the last money to put into the pot.

Nick C 11-23-2005 04:19 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
I think the turn donk will be a made hand more often than a semibluff. (I think just in general this will be the case, but also the fact that you hold the J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] cuts down on the number of available semibluffing hands.)

So is it KQ? AQ? AT? 99?

Beats me.

I suppose A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] specifically is a possibility too, as is a sort of delayed clubs semibluff. I don't think you'll end up seeing a flush that often, but it's something to at least consider.

MisterKing 11-23-2005 04:40 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
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Our read isn't strong. I like raising this turn as the last money to put into the pot.

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Agreed

QTip 11-23-2005 04:56 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
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I think the turn donk will be a made hand more often than a semibluff. (I think just in general this will be the case, but also the fact that you hold the J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] cuts down on the number of available semibluffing hands.)

So is it KQ? AQ? AT? 99?

Beats me.

I suppose A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] specifically is a possibility too, as is a sort of delayed clubs semibluff. I don't think you'll end up seeing a flush that often, but it's something to at least consider.

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At first I felt teh same as others here with checking behind. But then I thought about it for a minute, and my thoughts resembles Nick C's here.

I think this bet looks like some picked up semi-bluff or a stupid bet with AT or sometihng of that sort quite often. Wiht a hand like AK, AT and so forth, I think we'll see him call this river often enought to make this bet profitable. I like a river bet here.

Duerig 11-23-2005 06:11 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
I'd put villain on AT, or some sort of straight draw (KJ, AK, AJ). I'd value bet the river.

gopnik 11-23-2005 06:23 PM

Re: Value bet this river?
 
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Value bet this river?

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Yes, easy value bet


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