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WalkAmongUs 11-23-2005 08:42 AM

JJ...decisions
 
Villain was 55/20/3.5

How was this hand played?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Is flop cap here recommended?

Turn: (12.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

@bsolute_luck 11-23-2005 08:54 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
that dude's a maniac (if i read his stats correctly).

i think i'd put in 1 more on the turn. i'm not giving credit for a set given those stats.

11-23-2005 08:55 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
I think you have to cap the flop. I think you played this hand well and did not wimp out.

11-23-2005 08:57 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
We will have to see what the concensus is but I like the cap on the flop. Given your LAG read on UTG+1, I don't see any reason to slow down. UTG+2 seems on a flush draw so the extra money helps pad the pot.

Absent the club on the turn I think a raise would have been alright on the turn as well. Sure LAG-boy gets dealt AA, KK, and QQ just as much as anybody else and he could even have A5 but against this kind of player, in this type of situation, you can make a lot of money.

The Ace on the river sucked because Villian easily has an Ace so just call (as you did).

11-23-2005 09:01 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
The flop cap is good. Villian is uber loose-aggressive, You have an overpair and BDFD (althoug a weak one).

I do not like UTG+2 in all of this. Any reads on him? I'm not sure why he is hanging in there. Because he is overcalling I would play the turn and the river the same (flame me!)

11-23-2005 09:15 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
Grunch:

I'm only cold calling pf with JJ - even at a loose table.

I think I raise on the flop, but probably only call the 3 bet.

I raise again on the turn, but fold a 3 bet. The A on the riv is a puking call card.

All in all, I think you were too aggressive early, and a little passive late. 2 callers to a turn raise is the missing defining moment for this hand.

11-23-2005 09:21 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
[ QUOTE ]
that dude's a maniac (if i read his stats correctly).

i think i'd put in 1 more on the turn. i'm not giving credit for a set given those stats.

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This may also give you the option of a cheap showdown when the A falls on the river.

@bsolute_luck 11-23-2005 09:25 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm only cold calling pf with JJ - even at a loose table.

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jrz1972 11-23-2005 09:28 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
Looks fine to me. Capping the flop is normal against this kind of opponent, especially considering he didn't cap preflop (suggesting he doesn't have a bigger overpair).

Raising the turn is a possibility. You would not do this against an unknown, but this particular villain obviously overplays his hands. If it were HU I would not raise since I'd be risking two bets to win one (assuming villain slows down with the stuff I beat while 3-betting the stuff that beats me). With the limper, who is likely drawing, trapped between us, the raise is more tempting. It's close and I'm fine with a call down.

The river is obvious. You have to show this hand down.

jrz1972 11-23-2005 09:30 AM

Re: JJ...decisions
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
that dude's a maniac (if i read his stats correctly).

i think i'd put in 1 more on the turn. i'm not giving credit for a set given those stats.

[/ QUOTE ]

This may also give you the option of a cheap showdown when the A falls on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

This particular villain doesn't seem like the sort you want to try this against. You're often getting 3-bet, and I don't think you can fold to it against this guy.


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